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Updates,
Always nice to say "i told ya so.." as is this. Subdreamer failed once more in delivering what they promised. SD3 will not be here for a while and i seriously think they are about to close the forums as well to silence the crowds.
In my quest to save others from spending money on a product that fails and lacks everything i am posting these messages. Here is the latest is the saga around SD3.
Long page ahead as it is 6 pages taken from this thread http://www.subdreamer.com/forum/printthread.php?t=15930
Why do i post this? It will be deleted from the forums and therefore i think you should be able to read it anyway..
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Geiri 10-13-2009 07:53 PM
Can subdreamer 3 compete with vBulletin CMS?
vBulletin is Announcing the Presale Event for vBulletin 4.0 Suite
Can Subdreamer compete now and in the feature? :unsure:
http://www.vbulletin.com
animedreamz 10-14-2009 03:27 AM
I doubt it the only thing I see them having in common is same login. The features of vb cms are on joomla's level or better and with a full coder base for free mods(unlike the SD coder base) it will be more or less useful to those who like me dont want to spent $250 to upgrade. I will say SD will be cheaper but in comparison to the suite $280 for the full Vb4 term is way better then $40 every year and it includes all Vb4 mods (impex, blog, project tools). For now we will have to see just how they stack up on a CMS to CMS level as I'm sure most users here use IPB or phpbb or mybb a bit more the Vb you took the thread right from my mind we think a like. I hope the template engine for SD3 is database driven like thy said it would be and I am putting off my sites release to see how it stacks up to joomla, and now with Vb4 near release I will weigh in on how it stacks up against its new CMS.
barsa 10-14-2009 03:40 AM
I was just about to post this, VB offered me to upgrade for $130 (valid till end of this month) but im still have hopes in SD 3.x - i'm still waiting.
animedreamz 10-14-2009 03:50 AM
Same here I used SD for a while then I quit web dev for a while and then noticed 2.6 beta for a year and tried SD again with hopes its code changed but nope. Lets see how they stack up I dont want the vb suite but I will if I have to and joomla is my other option if SD doesn't deliver a solid system. At least vbsuite will run off one database using the same tables all around with a few added. I wonder how well it is guarded for table locks or crashes on large sites its like a race to see who releases first lets hope SD does and maybe some more coders come to dev mods for SD who knows the winds of change are blowing lets see if SD will still stand after the storm.
olijo 10-14-2009 04:46 AM
I think Joomla is good but the problem is for the manage of the groups and athorization, it's my way.
I've got two site who propulsed by joomla, and i don't have problem except managing groups.
animedreamz 10-14-2009 04:56 AM
Yeah with vbulletin its a pain I use a bridge and it works great except your account names cant be the same on both once you use the bridge you will get an error and cant login other then that it works fine.
vynnus 10-14-2009 07:48 AM
I still preffer the simplicity and flexibility of Subdreamer although I recognize VB has a lot more features and stuff, most of them not really necessary for some. That's my opinion.
arturb 10-14-2009 08:17 AM
I have 10 sites on SD and adding more, VB Publisher is yet to be fully tested so it's too early to tell how good it really is. It's almost 3 times the price, so I would expect it to be 3 times as good as Subdreamer and it's not that as far as I can tell.
Geiri 10-14-2009 02:43 PM
For use that use vb as our forum
We must recognize that vBulletin community is strong and there are lots of free themes and plugins
I do not think the price is high in the vB-suite you are paying for the cms,blog and the forum but there are cons for one there are no importers for content and even if you choose not to use vb-cms you are locked in and you must upgrade the suite you can not just decide to use the forum and upgrade at the forums price.
I think I will wait and stick with Subdreamer... although I see some serious competition ahead at least with product updates :)
Terminator1138 10-14-2009 05:27 PM
Well I put a lot into SD CMS....now without updates and over years of slow development, but thanks to many free developers, it was turning into a greater system. However Vbulletin has a lot going for them on this project.
Not to mention the other free download site that offers a lot just for the forums, now imagine all those ppl playing with a cms as well...means lots of free content to utilize...and yes great themes.
Upgrade from active vb forum is only 120 bucks just released that info today.
SD is 99 for just pro license BUT.....the support kills you here w/ an additional 40 bucks which puts it for me over the CMS suite and I get more.
Will it take business away, Yep, those who use vb, but SD will keep those who have IPB since they are slow to develop their CMS....and SMF and phpBB....but keep in mind, the longer it takes to roll out SD each year, the more others make up for it.
animedreamz 10-14-2009 05:44 PM
I agree with you Terminator1128. SD used to be great but look at the screen shots of Vb4 CMS its interface is way better then SD's screen cap both in design and feature set. Like I said on vb.com it more like joomla even down to how it looks which is great, theres more structure based options. Lets not down SD until we have seen SD3 in action they made the new main site using it which is an improvement over the old site but I'm starting to wonder if its a new concept or is it just a code fix for 2.6. They said there would be a 2.7 release but they never came through on that either. There hurting there own rep by lying and carring on as they have. If SD 3 flops SD needs to close no one will want to wait another year for software that works less then freeware.
Terminator1138 10-15-2009 07:49 AM
yep, true I have yet to see SD 3 in action.
ultimately, time will tell....
hannay 10-15-2009 10:45 AM
SD's 31 Oct deadline is my deadline with SD I think. If nothing comes then, I'm off elsewhere. I think members here have been VERY patient, and for NOTHING in a long time. VB's CMS does look very tempting.
signalzero 10-15-2009 10:53 AM
If nothing else they are offering FREE LIFETIME SUPPORT.
VBulletin has just stepped up to the plate and are delivering a product.
They had the best forum and all you needed was a CMS to integrate the two.
I see nothing but SEXY from their screen shots ....
http://files.vbulletin.com/images/ca...ion_inline.png
olijo 10-15-2009 01:04 PM
here is the CMS home page of vB
http://files.vbulletin.com/images/ca...s/CMS_home.png
Mr_Bob 10-15-2009 11:43 PM
Pretty much all along the lines of what I'm thinking. I'll be honest, I purchased the Suite upgrade; it was only $130 and offers me enhanced support for life + free updates for the entire Vbulletin 4 series. From what has been disused in numerous blog posts by developers, the screenshots, etc of the VB CMS it has all the features of Subdreamer with the added bonuses of being well supported and much more modern in both features and design.
I have two SD licenses at the present; the one license I run on a site with Vbulletin I will likely no longer utilize. Simply put, SD as a company has been rather unreliable over the last few years with VERY little updates.
So, as for advice for SD, if they really want to continue to compete in the market they need to do a much better job with software updates and customer / coder relations.
There, my two cents :).
Terminator1138 10-16-2009 12:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hannay (Post 88191)
SD's 31 Oct deadline is my deadline with SD I think. If nothing comes then, I'm off elsewhere. I think members here have been VERY patient, and for NOTHING in a long time. VB's CMS does look very tempting.
keep in mind the presale of vb is just before that as well so if you want to save, you have to preorder by end of this month as well....
Terminator1138 10-16-2009 12:03 PM
And...with better forum integration like post buttons on their forum to create article is a feature I love for better interaction.
Terminator1138 10-16-2009 05:44 PM
Got an email about IPB releasing their CMS as well.....I've looked at it long ago when they first mentioned it but not sure about it now...plus I already use VB so a switch to their forum is a bit much.
animedreamz 10-16-2009 07:32 PM
Lolz yeah the new cms looks so much like the joomla article interface its not even funny. The best part is seamless integration, I'm upgrade after the holidays after its been tested and reviewed by a few more vb users. I see it coming around christmas time or early jan. I hope SD comes with a great product. If they dont deliver the product on the 31st and then dont post an announcement I'm leaving SD for good for joomla and then after feb I'll move to Vb CMS.
signalzero 10-17-2009 02:38 PM
Woo Hoo. For one of my last sites running vbulletin, I got my pre-order...
So long SD :(...
cykelmyggen 10-17-2009 03:21 PM
SD will probably deliver a real funky CMS, if not within the scheduled date, then before 2010. The real competition lies between the sizes and the activities of the communities following vB and SD. The much larger community following vB will be able to deliver a huge number of free mods/add-ons/plugins. As it is for now, SD has stated that only the basic plugins will be built into SD 3.0 - the community and the businesses around the product will have to take care of all further development of extensions. I'm having my doubts wether the diminishing community of SD will be able to make a comeback due to the long period of low activity on the CMS. I hope so though, because I love SD due to its simplicity and ease of use.
Loneweb 10-19-2009 12:50 AM
One would think... SD would address the concerns of this thread.. give some sort of idea if its still on track.. how it will integrate with vb4...if it will at all...I have preordered vb4 already.. but dont plan on upgrading my site untill i give it a good testing.
Elvis 10-19-2009 02:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cykelmyggen (Post 88206)
... if not within the scheduled date, then before 2010.
... that would be one more broken promise! I do not think the SD company will get my trust back with that!
Geiri 10-19-2009 02:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneweb (Post 88210)
One would think... SD would address the concerns of this thread.. give some sort of idea if its still on track.. how it will integrate with vb4...
Lets hope they are to busy making Sd 3 ready to do it :)
signalzero 10-19-2009 08:32 PM
"They" really ? I think its more appropriate to say he.
amasilviama 10-20-2009 09:16 AM
My past experience tought me that good things always come on the hard way. Maybe this awaiting will be awarded sometimes with the best CMS ever, who knows ? If we waited for so long, can't we wait for 10-11 days more ?
I work on the Internet for quite some time now and i can really say that building something like a CMS is a challenge and a time-consuming process. The programmers where i work have worked for a few months to build one website, so it takes time and if they hurry, they will surely release something not that good. Let's give them time to work and hope everything will be alright. I don't believe in miracles but this doesn't mean they don't exist...
signalzero 10-20-2009 10:39 AM
If you are going to apply that logic to this scenario, as history of a future predictor, well...
a squared 10-20-2009 09:42 PM
What would be nice is if SD3 were released on the 29th. I feel that if SD3 is released on schedule (the 31st) a day after the pre-sale for vB4 and vB's new CMS that SD will lose most of it's vB users. Which I know are many.
signalzero 10-20-2009 09:59 PM
Just based upon them having a CMS that goes with Vbulletin and they offer LIFETIME support, I purchased a license for their CMS, because they have show that their forum rocks, and they produce.
Keeping your word and delivering your product goes a longg way with most consumers, something that SD is going to learn the hard way. I can bet there are ALOT of us that have pre purchased the Vbulletin CMS and will dissappear from these forums in just a little while.
Elvis 10-21-2009 04:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by signalzero (Post 88218)
I can bet there are ALOT of us that have pre purchased the Vbulletin CMS and will dissappear from these forums in just a little while.
:lol: Me too
Terminator1138 10-22-2009 10:17 AM
Well I was one of those who disappeared over time. I got suckered into buying more support downloads that never produced updated plugins. I stopped supporting SD and promoting it. I removed 1/2 of my sites that run SD. I still have one that would require it to run, but technically speaking, I've taken them all offline. My investment had to be pulled as they were great sites, but I could not continue to pour money into something that did not show development.
I was even branded as to critical and cynical on this site from time to time to show that I believed what was happening was true. And w/ SD only having one week to produce something, my guess, it will be delayed. O ya, and did I mention that I bought the download extension in support for this release!!!!...money down the drain.
And if you look at the closure of sd.org means that people are moving on more and more. There was more going on over there then what happened here....those who helped SD like heavyeddie, Tobias, and others helped propel this site and each one left. Those guys were awesome when they helped.
My thoughts go beyond but I don't want to be banned. :P
joeymatthews 10-22-2009 07:06 PM
That's the sad thing.
I don't know anywhere that stills gains the support from customers like subdreamer does, even though we're in the cold 99% of the time. We still continue to purchase and hope to see progress, it's no clear cut but I just feel that things really need sorting. It's not going to go anywhere in the current state, least that's my opinion. There needs to be a production team, I don't even know how many people are behind this now but it's not enough.
~Joey
olijo 10-23-2009 05:42 AM
8 days before 31 October...
No Announcement
No communication
let us not dream...
My opinion is that it is a beautiful swindle!
Deeply 31 to see if I paid the renewal of my license for anything...
ValsiS 10-23-2009 06:29 AM
:)) 31 oct 2010 :))
Prostr 10-23-2009 08:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ValsiS (Post 88227)
:)) 31 oct 2010 :))
U did scare me with that comment! ;-)
Yep, I really dont think that the release date will be the date of the release. I really start to think, that ive spend my money on something I dont get anything from.
As I think the laws in the US are, then I cannot do anything to get my money back - right?
olijo 10-23-2009 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prostr (Post 88228)
U did scare me with that comment! ;-)
Yep, I really dont think that the release date will be the date of the release. I really start to think, that ive spend my money on something I dont get anything from.
As I think the laws in the US are, then I cannot do anything to get my money back - right?
right...
Loneweb 10-23-2009 09:52 AM
whats that old saying? Fool me once.. Shame on you.... Fool me twice.. Shame on me...
For me.. it really doesn't matter anymore what is produced...
Elvis 10-23-2009 01:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneweb (Post 88230)
it really doesn't matter anymore what is produced...
Well spoken, pal! And you're right, the shame is on me. I absolutely regret that I have renewed my licence just for that vague promise of the mysterious Mr. Ziad ...
animedreamz 10-23-2009 08:56 PM
I say we wait I'm sure they are feeling a huge amount of pressure now and downing them no matter how true it is will not change a thing but it will make them hurry to finish work on the cms which could lead to bugs. How ever if the 31st comes and theres no release or announcement I'm leaving SD for joomla until I can save to get the vb4 suite. Because the least they can do is keep us posted I know there trying to build anticipation but there making a lot of customers made and forcing them to leave due to there silence.
signalzero 10-23-2009 10:39 PM
More than a year ago, I cant remember, when I sent an email asking about all the hub bub at the time surrounding bad rap for SD, I got the response of " 1 disgruntled customer created all kids of problems " . I now see that is was a sign of things to come...
Being here since 2007 I now see a much clearer picture.. One that isnt being seen thru rose colored glasses.
Elvis, since 2004 is a trooper indeed. I miss Heavy Eddie and Tobias :(
Elvis 10-24-2009 01:26 PM
*sings* Rose tints my world, Keeps me safe from my trouble and pain
:lol:
signalzero 10-24-2009 08:25 PM
With that mullet and a guitaaar.... I can hear the dogs howling now :) ~~~~
Prostr 10-25-2009 01:05 PM
Yea, at least they could give some response on the forum - but no.
pinky 10-25-2009 03:27 PM
Well I think we are shouting before we have been hurt ... they have said 31/10/09 and still have 6 days ~ we should at least do the decent thing and let them meet or miss their deadline
jblackburn 10-25-2009 10:16 PM
It doesn't look like vB4 Suite includes a file download manager. Has anyone heard of any plugins, etc. that might work for that? If not, for those that need it, that would be one major deficit with moving to the vb suite.
Need to dig in more too, but wondering if you can create a menu and custom pages like you can in SD. If not, that would be a major problem for some as well.
Terminator1138 10-26-2009 12:39 AM
well VB is harder to skin .but I'm sure the community will bounce right back w/ tons of downloads. There might be a forum addon for download manager as well
amasilviama 10-26-2009 06:36 AM
For those who lost trust in Subdreamer, i think it's best we wait to see what comes after 31st october. I don't want to seem stupid to you, but have you ever thought that it Subdreamer 3 might be the best solution after it is released ? It's been a long time since they work on it, and, i myself, look forward to see it. I have confidence that it will bring something good.
My advice is only this : wait and see! Take action after!
jlbenavides 10-26-2009 06:56 AM
Don't take offense for this, but I think all these messages reflect how interested we are in SD3 release and how afraid we feel of a possible decease of this project.
Prostr 10-26-2009 07:04 AM
When will VB 4.0 Suite be released, does anyone know?
If its just after the discount date expires, or it is months after or...
Loneweb 10-26-2009 08:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prostr (Post 88246)
When will VB 4.0 Suite be released, does anyone know?
If its just after the discount date expires, or it is months after or...
I don't think a date is set in stone... but their development guideline is for 4th Q 2009... so it could be 2 weeks... to 2 months.. its in beta now.. so its all up to how many bugs needs to be squashed ... I'm pretty anxious myself, as it will replace my current SD site.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jlbenavides (Post 88245)
Don't take offense for this, but I think all these messages reflect how interested we are in SD3 release and how afraid we feel of a possible decease of this project.
No offense taken :D I am interested to see what SD comes up with. It would be nice if they could pull out of the hole they seem to have fallen into and regain the trust of their customers...they have lost so many.. and about to lose alot more if they dont deliver... over a year.. and still no update to anything...But..I'm more interested to see if they keep there promise.. I'm tuned in simply to see the results.
If sd3 comes out on time:huh::unsure:.. I might use it with my old VB license on another (new) site .. that is.. IF it will integrate well with vb4 classic forum with the major template system changes they made... who knows...
Prostr 10-26-2009 11:48 AM
Double post...
Prostr 10-26-2009 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneweb (Post 88248)
I don't think a date is set in stone... but their development guideline is for 4th Q 2009... so it could be 2 weeks... to 2 months.. its in beta now.. so its all up to how many bugs needs to be squashed ... I'm pretty anxious myself, as it will replace my current SD site.
Okay cool.. Thanks :-)
Baklap 10-27-2009 09:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by amasilviama (Post 88244)
For those who lost trust in Subdreamer, i think it's best we wait to see what comes after 31st october. I don't want to seem stupid to you, but have you ever thought that it Subdreamer 3 might be the best solution after it is released ? It's been a long time since they work on it, and, i myself, look forward to see it. I have confidence that it will bring something good.
My advice is only this : wait and see! Take action after!
lol being naive is a bless sometimes!
Once more it will be delayed as it has been last 2 years (yes that is 2 years!) :)
Drupal, VB, Joomla so many ways to go beyond this. I for one will be very curious to see what happens October 31st :)
Maybe He (yes i meant a capitol H) surprises us all ... that would be a true kicker :)
signalzero 10-27-2009 10:50 PM
Good to see you Baklap.
I cant wait for the Trick or Treat day to arrive.....
My kids are so excited LOLOL....
RandomNinjaAtk 10-28-2009 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by signalzero (Post 88255)
I cant wait for the Trick or Treat day to arrive.....
LOL All I have to say is that if SD delivers, it will be a Treat! If SD fails to deliver it will be a Trick! Kinda fits in with halloween almost.... So only a few days away from being a trick or treat......
Terminator1138 10-28-2009 08:01 PM
Well with two more days, and not one single word, well sorry to say I WAS very interested in SD 3.0 and as you can see, I have been a customer for years, but slowly, they have not gained my trust much. I'm sticking around cuz I have hopes and dreams, but I expressed a need for updates over a year ago on a plugin. I got tired of manually removing spam email addresses, so much that I could not send out any newsletters to members. I had to add a forum just to allow for that function.
The thing is, with such slow development for a company that is making good money with this system for years, I only say that its getting much like vapor-ware. I hope I'm wrong.
despo 10-29-2009 06:42 AM
I have used Subdreamer for at least 3 years.
There have been no development the last years, no upgrades.
They promise too much, but do nothing.
I have paid for the last license to get SD 3.0 before they started the campaign, if I could get my money I did. As i can understand, there is no refund.
Bye Bye Subdreamer.
EHRGIEZ 10-31-2009 02:10 AM
its oct 31 now cant wait for SD3 release :D
GusarVA 10-31-2009 05:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EHRGIEZ (Post 88266)
its oct 31 now cant wait for SD3 release :D
wait... :)
We wait that Ziad will tell :)
EHRGIEZ 10-31-2009 05:55 AM
well they are shooting for oct 31 so theres a chance it my change date again btw im ready to renew :D
edekk 10-31-2009 06:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EHRGIEZ (Post 88266)
its oct 31 now cant wait for SD3 release :D
Same, willbe whole day here, waiting for SD3. :D
EHRGIEZ 10-31-2009 07:20 AM
hahaha ive been visit subdreamer every hour to check if theres any news for SD3 :D
GusarVA 10-31-2009 07:26 AM
Probably it is necessary to consider a difference in time at me now on October, 31st 14-25:) and here what is the time now at developers interestingly?
EHRGIEZ 10-31-2009 07:32 AM
hmm the time here in forum is 6:30 am lol :D
edekk 10-31-2009 07:50 AM
Well its 31st Oct 12:50 pm here atm. :)
GusarVA 10-31-2009 08:15 AM
http://www.subdreamer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15943
edekk 10-31-2009 09:38 AM
OMG, now i have to follow Tweater to learn something about updates. No dates, no nothing. We're sorry too Ziad but this is not acceptable, which means you're loosing another client, probably more and more will follow - too bad, for you.
olijo 10-31-2009 10:55 AM
lol who is surprised? Seriously… this is the end…
mongeron 10-31-2009 11:19 AM
Last update on Twitter is dated 8th of August. LOL. So, according to Twitter SD is dead, which surprises no-one.
If I had bought SD 3 via the pre-sales campaign, I would contact the police to start a criminal investigation on fraud. I'm happy I didn't buy it.
RandomNinjaAtk 10-31-2009 11:42 AM
Wow, guess we could a seen that one coming... :(
signalzero 10-31-2009 12:40 PM
They want you to follow twitter, because in just a little while, they will turn the forums off. Without a forum, there will really be no place to complain about updates and the lack there of.
Geiri 10-31-2009 02:37 PM
I am disappointed... I thought he would at least release a beta. Instead he does not even mention a time???
Next weak, next month or next year.
And to ask users to stop visiting the forum and follow on twitter what is that?
Ziad, Post your announcements where they should be posted. HERE
SanderS 10-31-2009 04:16 PM
Damn... What waste of time checking the forum every day for the last couple of days... Still had some naive hope, but now all I want is a refund :(
Poor communication, no new deadline, no nothing...
Prostr 10-31-2009 04:18 PM
OKay..
THis was my absolutly last patent..
What can I do, to get the money back????????????
This is SO unacceptable!!!!
animedreamz 10-31-2009 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SanderS (Post 88282)
Damn... What waste of time checking the forum every day for the last couple of days... Still had some naive hope, but now all I want is a refund :(
Poor communication, no new deadline, no nothing...
I have to agree I dont even use SD anymore lol I dropped it 2 months after buying it for joomla because of how poor it was built. SignalZero knows something more then the rest of us. How did you know the forum would be closing when the announcement wasn't made to say that? He had a whole month to get SD3 finished(not to mention over a year to) now its I need more time dang it release what ever you have so we can at least see you did something over this past year. Fraud I dont think we would pin him with that unless your aiming to say you updated only for SD3 but they might say that its at your own risk since there is not warranty on SD.
hannay 10-31-2009 06:17 PM
That's me out. What a joke this has become!
Luckily, VB have extended the pre sale offer :)
ValsiS 10-31-2009 09:28 PM
don;t worry ... be happy
signalzero 10-31-2009 09:46 PM
How do I know. I dont know for sure, but I can speculate.
You see im old and wise, not a youngster like some and ive been around the block a few times. :) I asked many months ago with a direct email from Alice Hilal , his wife who is the office manager about the ill feelings of SD that are posted all over the internet, and back then she hinted they were thinking of closing the forums.
You see , without a forum to monitor, they dont need a MOD on staff , which im sure they pay, and there is really no place to ask about time lines and the future.
Then all you have to do is live off the newbies that sign up and then leave again.
If you want to see a good predictor of the future , just look to the past. If you look at what they have offered and done over the last 6 years compared to other CMS software, you would see its not much. Its a very small niche market, and VB and others have closed the gap, and are developing all around at a fast pace and more importantly , delivering a real product, not broken promises.
This CMS very soon is what is going to be called VaporWare.........
Loneweb 10-31-2009 11:01 PM
Happy Halloween! LOL.. wish I could say I'm surprised.
And for all you people who are talking you wish you could get your money back.. well .. while you may not.. you can report them .....
Hope a few of you see this post before they delete it and ban me.. but I dont care... VB baby VB!!!
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bluevolt 10-31-2009 11:57 PM
All these months, I have watched these going-ons in the forums without commenting on the situation, in the hope that SD 3 will be out soon. Three deadlines have now been missed ("first half of 2009", "Sometime in July" and "shooting for October 31st") and now it is unlikely that SD 3 will be released anytime soon. For development to happen at a rapid pace, you need people, and you also need to pay people. I suspect that Tobias, Kushal and Andre left because SD was no longer interested in paying them.
So what do you make of a business which is run like a hobby, and an owner who hurls rudeness publicly on its existing customers? In one of the posts, Ziad was very defensive about people speculating, or creating 'theories'. There is a reason why customers are writing things on the forum, and that is because there is no information whatsoever from SD on what is going to happen next. Naturally, people will start posting negative feedback. If Ziad is not mature enough to understand that, then he should not be running a business for which people pay good money.
And lastly, what makes us think that SD 3 is going to be Windows 7? One has to remember that SD 3 was put into "development" more than a year back, and the presumed functions and aesthetics would have been thought of keeping the existing competition at that time. But then, there was no VB publishing suite nor updated versions of the Joomla - today, the market is full of value added, competitive products and without a strong team, SD will struggle to deliver. In the old days, SD scored because of forum integration and a thriving dev community (that is why I bought it), but now CMS's like VB suite has put an end to the forum integration USP, and the good hearted plugin contributors have moved away from SD. If you ask me, forum integration isn't all what it's cracked up to be, you can run the main website and forums separately and both will thrive.
I would still stick to SD for a while till I convert my custom skin into Joomla or Vivvo and then it is curtains for SD. Even if SD 3 releases, I am not buying - just remember that SD will not develop plug-ins, so what are you going to do with the base installation? Blog? There's wordpress for that.
speedpro50 11-01-2009 04:33 AM
We deserve an update or our money back. During the sale in June Ziad stated
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziad
Development of Subdreamer CMS 3.0 is nearly complete
, now we have November!
speedpro50 11-01-2009 04:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by signalzero (Post 88287)
she hinted they were thinking of closing the forums.
Setting up a new website about Ziad and Subdreamer is a matter of minutes so I don't think closing the forums would be a wise move.
Elvis 11-01-2009 07:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by speedpro50 (Post 88291)
Setting up a new website about Ziad and Subdreamer is a matter of minutes so I don't think closing the forums would be a wise move.
I second that! I am totally disappointed about what's going on here. I bought new licences and renewed the old ones (somewhat around 10 of them in total) just for the promise of a new release coming soon. I can't help myself, but I feel as i was robbed ...
Perhaps someone should take some action. Since I am in germany, I have no chance to get my money back. But for those living in the USA, join your forces and show your colors. Loyal customers like us must not be treated this way ...
edekk 11-01-2009 07:57 AM
100% agree with above. Take legal actions. I feel robbed.
Pugguy 11-01-2009 08:24 AM
Im sure if you have payed on your credit card you can get a charge back for 'goods not delivered'.
Very dissapointed, it looks like vb is the way for me too...
In my quest to save others from spending money on a product that fails and lacks everything i am posting these messages. Here is the latest is the saga around SD3.
Long page ahead as it is 6 pages taken from this thread http://www.subdreamer.com/forum/printthread.php?t=15930
Why do i post this? It will be deleted from the forums and therefore i think you should be able to read it anyway..
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Geiri 10-13-2009 07:53 PM
Can subdreamer 3 compete with vBulletin CMS?
vBulletin is Announcing the Presale Event for vBulletin 4.0 Suite
Can Subdreamer compete now and in the feature? :unsure:
http://www.vbulletin.com
animedreamz 10-14-2009 03:27 AM
I doubt it the only thing I see them having in common is same login. The features of vb cms are on joomla's level or better and with a full coder base for free mods(unlike the SD coder base) it will be more or less useful to those who like me dont want to spent $250 to upgrade. I will say SD will be cheaper but in comparison to the suite $280 for the full Vb4 term is way better then $40 every year and it includes all Vb4 mods (impex, blog, project tools). For now we will have to see just how they stack up on a CMS to CMS level as I'm sure most users here use IPB or phpbb or mybb a bit more the Vb you took the thread right from my mind we think a like. I hope the template engine for SD3 is database driven like thy said it would be and I am putting off my sites release to see how it stacks up to joomla, and now with Vb4 near release I will weigh in on how it stacks up against its new CMS.
barsa 10-14-2009 03:40 AM
I was just about to post this, VB offered me to upgrade for $130 (valid till end of this month) but im still have hopes in SD 3.x - i'm still waiting.
animedreamz 10-14-2009 03:50 AM
Same here I used SD for a while then I quit web dev for a while and then noticed 2.6 beta for a year and tried SD again with hopes its code changed but nope. Lets see how they stack up I dont want the vb suite but I will if I have to and joomla is my other option if SD doesn't deliver a solid system. At least vbsuite will run off one database using the same tables all around with a few added. I wonder how well it is guarded for table locks or crashes on large sites its like a race to see who releases first lets hope SD does and maybe some more coders come to dev mods for SD who knows the winds of change are blowing lets see if SD will still stand after the storm.
olijo 10-14-2009 04:46 AM
I think Joomla is good but the problem is for the manage of the groups and athorization, it's my way.
I've got two site who propulsed by joomla, and i don't have problem except managing groups.
animedreamz 10-14-2009 04:56 AM
Yeah with vbulletin its a pain I use a bridge and it works great except your account names cant be the same on both once you use the bridge you will get an error and cant login other then that it works fine.
vynnus 10-14-2009 07:48 AM
I still preffer the simplicity and flexibility of Subdreamer although I recognize VB has a lot more features and stuff, most of them not really necessary for some. That's my opinion.
arturb 10-14-2009 08:17 AM
I have 10 sites on SD and adding more, VB Publisher is yet to be fully tested so it's too early to tell how good it really is. It's almost 3 times the price, so I would expect it to be 3 times as good as Subdreamer and it's not that as far as I can tell.
Geiri 10-14-2009 02:43 PM
For use that use vb as our forum
We must recognize that vBulletin community is strong and there are lots of free themes and plugins
I do not think the price is high in the vB-suite you are paying for the cms,blog and the forum but there are cons for one there are no importers for content and even if you choose not to use vb-cms you are locked in and you must upgrade the suite you can not just decide to use the forum and upgrade at the forums price.
I think I will wait and stick with Subdreamer... although I see some serious competition ahead at least with product updates :)
Terminator1138 10-14-2009 05:27 PM
Well I put a lot into SD CMS....now without updates and over years of slow development, but thanks to many free developers, it was turning into a greater system. However Vbulletin has a lot going for them on this project.
Not to mention the other free download site that offers a lot just for the forums, now imagine all those ppl playing with a cms as well...means lots of free content to utilize...and yes great themes.
Upgrade from active vb forum is only 120 bucks just released that info today.
SD is 99 for just pro license BUT.....the support kills you here w/ an additional 40 bucks which puts it for me over the CMS suite and I get more.
Will it take business away, Yep, those who use vb, but SD will keep those who have IPB since they are slow to develop their CMS....and SMF and phpBB....but keep in mind, the longer it takes to roll out SD each year, the more others make up for it.
animedreamz 10-14-2009 05:44 PM
I agree with you Terminator1128. SD used to be great but look at the screen shots of Vb4 CMS its interface is way better then SD's screen cap both in design and feature set. Like I said on vb.com it more like joomla even down to how it looks which is great, theres more structure based options. Lets not down SD until we have seen SD3 in action they made the new main site using it which is an improvement over the old site but I'm starting to wonder if its a new concept or is it just a code fix for 2.6. They said there would be a 2.7 release but they never came through on that either. There hurting there own rep by lying and carring on as they have. If SD 3 flops SD needs to close no one will want to wait another year for software that works less then freeware.
Terminator1138 10-15-2009 07:49 AM
yep, true I have yet to see SD 3 in action.
ultimately, time will tell....
hannay 10-15-2009 10:45 AM
SD's 31 Oct deadline is my deadline with SD I think. If nothing comes then, I'm off elsewhere. I think members here have been VERY patient, and for NOTHING in a long time. VB's CMS does look very tempting.
signalzero 10-15-2009 10:53 AM
If nothing else they are offering FREE LIFETIME SUPPORT.
VBulletin has just stepped up to the plate and are delivering a product.
They had the best forum and all you needed was a CMS to integrate the two.
I see nothing but SEXY from their screen shots ....
http://files.vbulletin.com/images/ca...ion_inline.png
olijo 10-15-2009 01:04 PM
here is the CMS home page of vB
http://files.vbulletin.com/images/ca...s/CMS_home.png
Mr_Bob 10-15-2009 11:43 PM
Pretty much all along the lines of what I'm thinking. I'll be honest, I purchased the Suite upgrade; it was only $130 and offers me enhanced support for life + free updates for the entire Vbulletin 4 series. From what has been disused in numerous blog posts by developers, the screenshots, etc of the VB CMS it has all the features of Subdreamer with the added bonuses of being well supported and much more modern in both features and design.
I have two SD licenses at the present; the one license I run on a site with Vbulletin I will likely no longer utilize. Simply put, SD as a company has been rather unreliable over the last few years with VERY little updates.
So, as for advice for SD, if they really want to continue to compete in the market they need to do a much better job with software updates and customer / coder relations.
There, my two cents :).
Terminator1138 10-16-2009 12:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hannay (Post 88191)
SD's 31 Oct deadline is my deadline with SD I think. If nothing comes then, I'm off elsewhere. I think members here have been VERY patient, and for NOTHING in a long time. VB's CMS does look very tempting.
keep in mind the presale of vb is just before that as well so if you want to save, you have to preorder by end of this month as well....
Terminator1138 10-16-2009 12:03 PM
And...with better forum integration like post buttons on their forum to create article is a feature I love for better interaction.
Terminator1138 10-16-2009 05:44 PM
Got an email about IPB releasing their CMS as well.....I've looked at it long ago when they first mentioned it but not sure about it now...plus I already use VB so a switch to their forum is a bit much.
animedreamz 10-16-2009 07:32 PM
Lolz yeah the new cms looks so much like the joomla article interface its not even funny. The best part is seamless integration, I'm upgrade after the holidays after its been tested and reviewed by a few more vb users. I see it coming around christmas time or early jan. I hope SD comes with a great product. If they dont deliver the product on the 31st and then dont post an announcement I'm leaving SD for good for joomla and then after feb I'll move to Vb CMS.
signalzero 10-17-2009 02:38 PM
Woo Hoo. For one of my last sites running vbulletin, I got my pre-order...
So long SD :(...
cykelmyggen 10-17-2009 03:21 PM
SD will probably deliver a real funky CMS, if not within the scheduled date, then before 2010. The real competition lies between the sizes and the activities of the communities following vB and SD. The much larger community following vB will be able to deliver a huge number of free mods/add-ons/plugins. As it is for now, SD has stated that only the basic plugins will be built into SD 3.0 - the community and the businesses around the product will have to take care of all further development of extensions. I'm having my doubts wether the diminishing community of SD will be able to make a comeback due to the long period of low activity on the CMS. I hope so though, because I love SD due to its simplicity and ease of use.
Loneweb 10-19-2009 12:50 AM
One would think... SD would address the concerns of this thread.. give some sort of idea if its still on track.. how it will integrate with vb4...if it will at all...I have preordered vb4 already.. but dont plan on upgrading my site untill i give it a good testing.
Elvis 10-19-2009 02:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cykelmyggen (Post 88206)
... if not within the scheduled date, then before 2010.
... that would be one more broken promise! I do not think the SD company will get my trust back with that!
Geiri 10-19-2009 02:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneweb (Post 88210)
One would think... SD would address the concerns of this thread.. give some sort of idea if its still on track.. how it will integrate with vb4...
Lets hope they are to busy making Sd 3 ready to do it :)
signalzero 10-19-2009 08:32 PM
"They" really ? I think its more appropriate to say he.
amasilviama 10-20-2009 09:16 AM
My past experience tought me that good things always come on the hard way. Maybe this awaiting will be awarded sometimes with the best CMS ever, who knows ? If we waited for so long, can't we wait for 10-11 days more ?
I work on the Internet for quite some time now and i can really say that building something like a CMS is a challenge and a time-consuming process. The programmers where i work have worked for a few months to build one website, so it takes time and if they hurry, they will surely release something not that good. Let's give them time to work and hope everything will be alright. I don't believe in miracles but this doesn't mean they don't exist...
signalzero 10-20-2009 10:39 AM
If you are going to apply that logic to this scenario, as history of a future predictor, well...
a squared 10-20-2009 09:42 PM
What would be nice is if SD3 were released on the 29th. I feel that if SD3 is released on schedule (the 31st) a day after the pre-sale for vB4 and vB's new CMS that SD will lose most of it's vB users. Which I know are many.
signalzero 10-20-2009 09:59 PM
Just based upon them having a CMS that goes with Vbulletin and they offer LIFETIME support, I purchased a license for their CMS, because they have show that their forum rocks, and they produce.
Keeping your word and delivering your product goes a longg way with most consumers, something that SD is going to learn the hard way. I can bet there are ALOT of us that have pre purchased the Vbulletin CMS and will dissappear from these forums in just a little while.
Elvis 10-21-2009 04:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by signalzero (Post 88218)
I can bet there are ALOT of us that have pre purchased the Vbulletin CMS and will dissappear from these forums in just a little while.
:lol: Me too
Terminator1138 10-22-2009 10:17 AM
Well I was one of those who disappeared over time. I got suckered into buying more support downloads that never produced updated plugins. I stopped supporting SD and promoting it. I removed 1/2 of my sites that run SD. I still have one that would require it to run, but technically speaking, I've taken them all offline. My investment had to be pulled as they were great sites, but I could not continue to pour money into something that did not show development.
I was even branded as to critical and cynical on this site from time to time to show that I believed what was happening was true. And w/ SD only having one week to produce something, my guess, it will be delayed. O ya, and did I mention that I bought the download extension in support for this release!!!!...money down the drain.
And if you look at the closure of sd.org means that people are moving on more and more. There was more going on over there then what happened here....those who helped SD like heavyeddie, Tobias, and others helped propel this site and each one left. Those guys were awesome when they helped.
My thoughts go beyond but I don't want to be banned. :P
joeymatthews 10-22-2009 07:06 PM
That's the sad thing.
I don't know anywhere that stills gains the support from customers like subdreamer does, even though we're in the cold 99% of the time. We still continue to purchase and hope to see progress, it's no clear cut but I just feel that things really need sorting. It's not going to go anywhere in the current state, least that's my opinion. There needs to be a production team, I don't even know how many people are behind this now but it's not enough.
~Joey
olijo 10-23-2009 05:42 AM
8 days before 31 October...
No Announcement
No communication
let us not dream...
My opinion is that it is a beautiful swindle!
Deeply 31 to see if I paid the renewal of my license for anything...
ValsiS 10-23-2009 06:29 AM
:)) 31 oct 2010 :))
Prostr 10-23-2009 08:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ValsiS (Post 88227)
:)) 31 oct 2010 :))
U did scare me with that comment! ;-)
Yep, I really dont think that the release date will be the date of the release. I really start to think, that ive spend my money on something I dont get anything from.
As I think the laws in the US are, then I cannot do anything to get my money back - right?
olijo 10-23-2009 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prostr (Post 88228)
U did scare me with that comment! ;-)
Yep, I really dont think that the release date will be the date of the release. I really start to think, that ive spend my money on something I dont get anything from.
As I think the laws in the US are, then I cannot do anything to get my money back - right?
right...
Loneweb 10-23-2009 09:52 AM
whats that old saying? Fool me once.. Shame on you.... Fool me twice.. Shame on me...
For me.. it really doesn't matter anymore what is produced...
Elvis 10-23-2009 01:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneweb (Post 88230)
it really doesn't matter anymore what is produced...
Well spoken, pal! And you're right, the shame is on me. I absolutely regret that I have renewed my licence just for that vague promise of the mysterious Mr. Ziad ...
animedreamz 10-23-2009 08:56 PM
I say we wait I'm sure they are feeling a huge amount of pressure now and downing them no matter how true it is will not change a thing but it will make them hurry to finish work on the cms which could lead to bugs. How ever if the 31st comes and theres no release or announcement I'm leaving SD for joomla until I can save to get the vb4 suite. Because the least they can do is keep us posted I know there trying to build anticipation but there making a lot of customers made and forcing them to leave due to there silence.
signalzero 10-23-2009 10:39 PM
More than a year ago, I cant remember, when I sent an email asking about all the hub bub at the time surrounding bad rap for SD, I got the response of " 1 disgruntled customer created all kids of problems " . I now see that is was a sign of things to come...
Being here since 2007 I now see a much clearer picture.. One that isnt being seen thru rose colored glasses.
Elvis, since 2004 is a trooper indeed. I miss Heavy Eddie and Tobias :(
Elvis 10-24-2009 01:26 PM
*sings* Rose tints my world, Keeps me safe from my trouble and pain
:lol:
signalzero 10-24-2009 08:25 PM
With that mullet and a guitaaar.... I can hear the dogs howling now :) ~~~~
Prostr 10-25-2009 01:05 PM
Yea, at least they could give some response on the forum - but no.
pinky 10-25-2009 03:27 PM
Well I think we are shouting before we have been hurt ... they have said 31/10/09 and still have 6 days ~ we should at least do the decent thing and let them meet or miss their deadline
jblackburn 10-25-2009 10:16 PM
It doesn't look like vB4 Suite includes a file download manager. Has anyone heard of any plugins, etc. that might work for that? If not, for those that need it, that would be one major deficit with moving to the vb suite.
Need to dig in more too, but wondering if you can create a menu and custom pages like you can in SD. If not, that would be a major problem for some as well.
Terminator1138 10-26-2009 12:39 AM
well VB is harder to skin .but I'm sure the community will bounce right back w/ tons of downloads. There might be a forum addon for download manager as well
amasilviama 10-26-2009 06:36 AM
For those who lost trust in Subdreamer, i think it's best we wait to see what comes after 31st october. I don't want to seem stupid to you, but have you ever thought that it Subdreamer 3 might be the best solution after it is released ? It's been a long time since they work on it, and, i myself, look forward to see it. I have confidence that it will bring something good.
My advice is only this : wait and see! Take action after!
jlbenavides 10-26-2009 06:56 AM
Don't take offense for this, but I think all these messages reflect how interested we are in SD3 release and how afraid we feel of a possible decease of this project.
Prostr 10-26-2009 07:04 AM
When will VB 4.0 Suite be released, does anyone know?
If its just after the discount date expires, or it is months after or...
Loneweb 10-26-2009 08:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prostr (Post 88246)
When will VB 4.0 Suite be released, does anyone know?
If its just after the discount date expires, or it is months after or...
I don't think a date is set in stone... but their development guideline is for 4th Q 2009... so it could be 2 weeks... to 2 months.. its in beta now.. so its all up to how many bugs needs to be squashed ... I'm pretty anxious myself, as it will replace my current SD site.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jlbenavides (Post 88245)
Don't take offense for this, but I think all these messages reflect how interested we are in SD3 release and how afraid we feel of a possible decease of this project.
No offense taken :D I am interested to see what SD comes up with. It would be nice if they could pull out of the hole they seem to have fallen into and regain the trust of their customers...they have lost so many.. and about to lose alot more if they dont deliver... over a year.. and still no update to anything...But..I'm more interested to see if they keep there promise.. I'm tuned in simply to see the results.
If sd3 comes out on time:huh::unsure:.. I might use it with my old VB license on another (new) site .. that is.. IF it will integrate well with vb4 classic forum with the major template system changes they made... who knows...
Prostr 10-26-2009 11:48 AM
Double post...
Prostr 10-26-2009 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loneweb (Post 88248)
I don't think a date is set in stone... but their development guideline is for 4th Q 2009... so it could be 2 weeks... to 2 months.. its in beta now.. so its all up to how many bugs needs to be squashed ... I'm pretty anxious myself, as it will replace my current SD site.
Okay cool.. Thanks :-)
Baklap 10-27-2009 09:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by amasilviama (Post 88244)
For those who lost trust in Subdreamer, i think it's best we wait to see what comes after 31st october. I don't want to seem stupid to you, but have you ever thought that it Subdreamer 3 might be the best solution after it is released ? It's been a long time since they work on it, and, i myself, look forward to see it. I have confidence that it will bring something good.
My advice is only this : wait and see! Take action after!
lol being naive is a bless sometimes!
Once more it will be delayed as it has been last 2 years (yes that is 2 years!) :)
Drupal, VB, Joomla so many ways to go beyond this. I for one will be very curious to see what happens October 31st :)
Maybe He (yes i meant a capitol H) surprises us all ... that would be a true kicker :)
signalzero 10-27-2009 10:50 PM
Good to see you Baklap.
I cant wait for the Trick or Treat day to arrive.....
My kids are so excited LOLOL....
RandomNinjaAtk 10-28-2009 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by signalzero (Post 88255)
I cant wait for the Trick or Treat day to arrive.....
LOL All I have to say is that if SD delivers, it will be a Treat! If SD fails to deliver it will be a Trick! Kinda fits in with halloween almost.... So only a few days away from being a trick or treat......
Terminator1138 10-28-2009 08:01 PM
Well with two more days, and not one single word, well sorry to say I WAS very interested in SD 3.0 and as you can see, I have been a customer for years, but slowly, they have not gained my trust much. I'm sticking around cuz I have hopes and dreams, but I expressed a need for updates over a year ago on a plugin. I got tired of manually removing spam email addresses, so much that I could not send out any newsletters to members. I had to add a forum just to allow for that function.
The thing is, with such slow development for a company that is making good money with this system for years, I only say that its getting much like vapor-ware. I hope I'm wrong.
despo 10-29-2009 06:42 AM
I have used Subdreamer for at least 3 years.
There have been no development the last years, no upgrades.
They promise too much, but do nothing.
I have paid for the last license to get SD 3.0 before they started the campaign, if I could get my money I did. As i can understand, there is no refund.
Bye Bye Subdreamer.
EHRGIEZ 10-31-2009 02:10 AM
its oct 31 now cant wait for SD3 release :D
GusarVA 10-31-2009 05:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EHRGIEZ (Post 88266)
its oct 31 now cant wait for SD3 release :D
wait... :)
We wait that Ziad will tell :)
EHRGIEZ 10-31-2009 05:55 AM
well they are shooting for oct 31 so theres a chance it my change date again btw im ready to renew :D
edekk 10-31-2009 06:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EHRGIEZ (Post 88266)
its oct 31 now cant wait for SD3 release :D
Same, willbe whole day here, waiting for SD3. :D
EHRGIEZ 10-31-2009 07:20 AM
hahaha ive been visit subdreamer every hour to check if theres any news for SD3 :D
GusarVA 10-31-2009 07:26 AM
Probably it is necessary to consider a difference in time at me now on October, 31st 14-25:) and here what is the time now at developers interestingly?
EHRGIEZ 10-31-2009 07:32 AM
hmm the time here in forum is 6:30 am lol :D
edekk 10-31-2009 07:50 AM
Well its 31st Oct 12:50 pm here atm. :)
GusarVA 10-31-2009 08:15 AM
http://www.subdreamer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15943
edekk 10-31-2009 09:38 AM
OMG, now i have to follow Tweater to learn something about updates. No dates, no nothing. We're sorry too Ziad but this is not acceptable, which means you're loosing another client, probably more and more will follow - too bad, for you.
olijo 10-31-2009 10:55 AM
lol who is surprised? Seriously… this is the end…
mongeron 10-31-2009 11:19 AM
Last update on Twitter is dated 8th of August. LOL. So, according to Twitter SD is dead, which surprises no-one.
If I had bought SD 3 via the pre-sales campaign, I would contact the police to start a criminal investigation on fraud. I'm happy I didn't buy it.
RandomNinjaAtk 10-31-2009 11:42 AM
Wow, guess we could a seen that one coming... :(
signalzero 10-31-2009 12:40 PM
They want you to follow twitter, because in just a little while, they will turn the forums off. Without a forum, there will really be no place to complain about updates and the lack there of.
Geiri 10-31-2009 02:37 PM
I am disappointed... I thought he would at least release a beta. Instead he does not even mention a time???
Next weak, next month or next year.
And to ask users to stop visiting the forum and follow on twitter what is that?
Ziad, Post your announcements where they should be posted. HERE
SanderS 10-31-2009 04:16 PM
Damn... What waste of time checking the forum every day for the last couple of days... Still had some naive hope, but now all I want is a refund :(
Poor communication, no new deadline, no nothing...
Prostr 10-31-2009 04:18 PM
OKay..
THis was my absolutly last patent..
What can I do, to get the money back????????????
This is SO unacceptable!!!!
animedreamz 10-31-2009 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SanderS (Post 88282)
Damn... What waste of time checking the forum every day for the last couple of days... Still had some naive hope, but now all I want is a refund :(
Poor communication, no new deadline, no nothing...
I have to agree I dont even use SD anymore lol I dropped it 2 months after buying it for joomla because of how poor it was built. SignalZero knows something more then the rest of us. How did you know the forum would be closing when the announcement wasn't made to say that? He had a whole month to get SD3 finished(not to mention over a year to) now its I need more time dang it release what ever you have so we can at least see you did something over this past year. Fraud I dont think we would pin him with that unless your aiming to say you updated only for SD3 but they might say that its at your own risk since there is not warranty on SD.
hannay 10-31-2009 06:17 PM
That's me out. What a joke this has become!
Luckily, VB have extended the pre sale offer :)
ValsiS 10-31-2009 09:28 PM
don;t worry ... be happy
signalzero 10-31-2009 09:46 PM
How do I know. I dont know for sure, but I can speculate.
You see im old and wise, not a youngster like some and ive been around the block a few times. :) I asked many months ago with a direct email from Alice Hilal , his wife who is the office manager about the ill feelings of SD that are posted all over the internet, and back then she hinted they were thinking of closing the forums.
You see , without a forum to monitor, they dont need a MOD on staff , which im sure they pay, and there is really no place to ask about time lines and the future.
Then all you have to do is live off the newbies that sign up and then leave again.
If you want to see a good predictor of the future , just look to the past. If you look at what they have offered and done over the last 6 years compared to other CMS software, you would see its not much. Its a very small niche market, and VB and others have closed the gap, and are developing all around at a fast pace and more importantly , delivering a real product, not broken promises.
This CMS very soon is what is going to be called VaporWare.........
Loneweb 10-31-2009 11:01 PM
Happy Halloween! LOL.. wish I could say I'm surprised.
And for all you people who are talking you wish you could get your money back.. well .. while you may not.. you can report them .....
Hope a few of you see this post before they delete it and ban me.. but I dont care... VB baby VB!!!
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bluevolt 10-31-2009 11:57 PM
All these months, I have watched these going-ons in the forums without commenting on the situation, in the hope that SD 3 will be out soon. Three deadlines have now been missed ("first half of 2009", "Sometime in July" and "shooting for October 31st") and now it is unlikely that SD 3 will be released anytime soon. For development to happen at a rapid pace, you need people, and you also need to pay people. I suspect that Tobias, Kushal and Andre left because SD was no longer interested in paying them.
So what do you make of a business which is run like a hobby, and an owner who hurls rudeness publicly on its existing customers? In one of the posts, Ziad was very defensive about people speculating, or creating 'theories'. There is a reason why customers are writing things on the forum, and that is because there is no information whatsoever from SD on what is going to happen next. Naturally, people will start posting negative feedback. If Ziad is not mature enough to understand that, then he should not be running a business for which people pay good money.
And lastly, what makes us think that SD 3 is going to be Windows 7? One has to remember that SD 3 was put into "development" more than a year back, and the presumed functions and aesthetics would have been thought of keeping the existing competition at that time. But then, there was no VB publishing suite nor updated versions of the Joomla - today, the market is full of value added, competitive products and without a strong team, SD will struggle to deliver. In the old days, SD scored because of forum integration and a thriving dev community (that is why I bought it), but now CMS's like VB suite has put an end to the forum integration USP, and the good hearted plugin contributors have moved away from SD. If you ask me, forum integration isn't all what it's cracked up to be, you can run the main website and forums separately and both will thrive.
I would still stick to SD for a while till I convert my custom skin into Joomla or Vivvo and then it is curtains for SD. Even if SD 3 releases, I am not buying - just remember that SD will not develop plug-ins, so what are you going to do with the base installation? Blog? There's wordpress for that.
speedpro50 11-01-2009 04:33 AM
We deserve an update or our money back. During the sale in June Ziad stated
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Originally Posted by Ziad
Development of Subdreamer CMS 3.0 is nearly complete
, now we have November!
speedpro50 11-01-2009 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by signalzero (Post 88287)
she hinted they were thinking of closing the forums.
Setting up a new website about Ziad and Subdreamer is a matter of minutes so I don't think closing the forums would be a wise move.
Elvis 11-01-2009 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by speedpro50 (Post 88291)
Setting up a new website about Ziad and Subdreamer is a matter of minutes so I don't think closing the forums would be a wise move.
I second that! I am totally disappointed about what's going on here. I bought new licences and renewed the old ones (somewhat around 10 of them in total) just for the promise of a new release coming soon. I can't help myself, but I feel as i was robbed ...
Perhaps someone should take some action. Since I am in germany, I have no chance to get my money back. But for those living in the USA, join your forces and show your colors. Loyal customers like us must not be treated this way ...
edekk 11-01-2009 07:57 AM
100% agree with above. Take legal actions. I feel robbed.
Pugguy 11-01-2009 08:24 AM
Im sure if you have payed on your credit card you can get a charge back for 'goods not delivered'.
Very dissapointed, it looks like vb is the way for me too...
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